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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

I was thinking about this in connection with We've Got Another One post below. Are Deadheads thought of as more or less dirty hippies? I get the feeling that most people on here are professionals or are students or at least have careers etc. But everyone here plainly LOVES GD music and has had extensive personal experience with it. The popular perception of Deadheads is that they (we) are aimless souls with no jobs and little interest in hygiene, but we all know that there are also famous politicians etc. that profess to be Heads. I wonder if those people are as into the band as they claim to be- I guess not. Do you have to be a hippie to be a real Deadhead? Did you at least have to be one at some point in time? I've never had long hair, always shower, have no interest in the 1960s, have degrees from Penn State and Yale Law School, and would invariably rather get a hotel room for any shows rather than camp or sleep outside. But I have been obsessed with GD music since I was little. My question: Can I really be a Deadhead??

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Poster: acetboy Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

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This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2006-11-30 18:19:38

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Poster: Scrim Date: Nov 30, 2006 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

I DID cry watching Janis in Festival Express. Talk about powerful performance...wow

She was such a woman to me.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

To follow up on this some more, the best part of my "Dead Experience" probably occurred when I left school. It seemed that only then did I become aware of just how many "Head Posers" there were in college. For whatever reason, it became very fashionable then to throw on a tye die shirt, wrap a bandana around your head, put on some leather sandals, (for the women) douse yourself in patuli oil for no apparent reason, rip holes in your jeans (or buy them already ripped, something which to this days strikes me as one of the stupidest things I've ever seen), amass a huge collection of tapes regardless of quality or even having ever listened to them, injest large amounts of drugs and go to shows. After school, these folks quickly lost all the "hippie" clothing, tossed the tapes and moved on to the next fad. For me and my close friends, we continued as Heads. Yes, we updated clothing, became educated and persued careers and families , all while remaining true to who we were and are. When I meet someone today in my age braket who is talking about the Dead, I can feel fairly confident that they are truly what they say they are. I would also add that the same thing goes for the younger folks out there, especially those who have been "assimilated" recently; you guys are here because of the music and the people, back in my day so many were attracted for all the wrong reasons (drugs, media hype, etc.). Some did really get it though and stayed on, but most faded away. It makes me so happy to see younger folks get on the bus, reminds me just how powerful this music/these people can be.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

What about me? Gosh. Anyways who are you again? I've forgotten your real identity dark hollow.. hmm. I have even forgotten johnnyonthespot's but I still remember his persona and all.. just not the username. Anyone wanna clue me in on their old usernameS? I'm pretty sure johnny's old one had johnny in it.


Oh and you called it on the pre-ripped jeans haha...

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

Sorry, Max. In my former life I was Lehighvet88, and I am now, and will forever be, P. Kelsey, a good Boston Irishman (although the first Kelsey left Ireland in 1710, well not left exactly, it was prison or the colonies, always the outlaw). The Dropkick Murphys are my house band. There, I'm out of the closet (please, Dire, I know what you're thinking).

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Poster: lastcall Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

"what is a deadhead"? that's where i took a piss during drums.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

i think i might i have taken a piss on you durin drums - sorry man to ruin your ripped jeans - just had to go - you know the deal

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Poster: lastcall Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

it's just a joke! didn't respond to "what type of person" but responded to "what is a deadhead"? head being the john. If you can't laugh at yourself sometimes? Get out of the house and go see a comedy. A smile will turn that frown upside-down.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

dude take a chill pill or i will pee on you - can't you tell we are all havin a goof with this - holy shit man- what is your problem???

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

Oh, shit. Look what you went and done. He had been so complacent of late. Now there's not way we'll get him into bed at a reasonable hour.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

oh sure , blame me for this.... everything is always my fault - sound just like home - :)

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

Nah, not ALL your fault anyway. Well, its been another interesting day here with people posting questions/thoughts and the rest of us going as far off-topic as possible. Well, I've got to get up at 4 AM MST tommorrow, so I'll check in with y'all later. Dire, I've said it before, the doctor says take two Comes A Time and call me in the morning.

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

Dire, King honey, remember your temper... =)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

i need cuddling :(

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:14pm
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lol! **big hug**


now behave. =D

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

thanks honey :)

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

you're welcome.

Maybe sometimes I can remind you to stay calm, just in case you get a litlle off course. and then we won't have any of our friends want to go back to lurking. Not that it's all your fault only, but you know what I mean.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

ohhhhh - so now you blame me too - fine, whatever, etc etc :)

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

Like lastcall said...don't get your thong in a wad. Ha! :)

btw, I found your other note. and wrote you back.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

cant wear a thong - i'm too packed baby - lol (lastcall can't either - nothing to hold up- oooooohhhhhh, i am funny - but truthful)

can't get any messages - yahoo is down and deadhook is showin nothing.

gotta go nitey nite - my little kitty is already up in my bed waitin for me. (of course the damn thing is teething so all its gonna do is bite my wrist and arm all night)

gnite pretty girl - have pleasant dreams - talk to ya soon

peace

dire

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

You'll probably find this tomorrow then, but the note isn't in PM, it's in the trading forum where you left me my note.
see you tomorrow. Nite everybody.

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Poster: lastcall Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

It don't take much to your thong in a wad. If you can't find a little humor in anything...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 30, 2006 6:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

was just bustin with ya man, meant no offense - sorry

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

thong in a wad???? ok

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:32pm
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Hey, those jeans weren't JUST ripped, they were acid washed too, goddamn it! Now they're covered in urine. Wait, I think that's supposed to be cool too. Thanks, man. Could you piss on my shoes next?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:38pm
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buy me a couple of beers, wait about 30 minutes, and i will gladly celebrate upon your shoes :)

i didn't know you cared ;)

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Poster: deadmax Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:42pm
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Are you sure you were peeing?

Are you sure it was pee?

With all this 'phobic stuff one has to wonder.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:48pm
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if highflow was around me, who knows, i may have been a little over excited - other than that - yeah, it was pee. i can't quite remember though - maybe highflow can - he knows my excited state quite well

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:49pm
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As long as everyone avoids any mention of, or contact with, my dark hollow, everything's cool.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:54pm
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oh - i thought i saw you in the men's room, but i'll shut up now (our secret)

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:57pm
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OK, so that was you huffing and puffing in the stall, dude, courtesy flush mean anything to you?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:04pm
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it kinda went all over the place - not enough toilet tissue - sorry - y'know i was thinking about Liam and things got a bit out of control.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

I think the " stereotype" of a deadhead is more a lot rat and they can be found following any number of bands that tour heavily and are usually more interested in hippie status and rumors about whatever band and who they know instead of what they really know about the music.

I have allways found people that were HEAVILY into the music not the scene to be very well rounded, open minded,intelligent, and very weird in the best possible way.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

direwolf: of course.. you're a deadhead in my book. you like both.. wasn't it the generation that was raised while touch of grey came out that were called touch heads? To me.. the minute they listen to both.. they are a deadhead. I mean.. really a touchhead or a deadhead, is a deadhead any way.. but its a sub category. like.. "hey frank is mark a touchhead deadhead, or a deadhead?" "Frank, mark is a deadhead, he listens to it all" Haha. hope yall like that little narration play thingy

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 29, 2006 10:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

Max ... i think, while you raise interesting points and perspectives (as per your usual), that it's unfair to categorize 'deadheads' in such a way, or for that matter, a follower/fan/admirerer of any artist/band. If say for instance one appreciated and listened to the music of the Ramones, but only to their early years, or only to their mid or later years, does this make them less of a 'ramoneshead' or less of a fan, and that somehow the person who listens to the entire Ramones catalogue is somehow more of a fan? It's as PurpleGel said, a 'deadhead' (if you really want to apply a label), is everything; it's about the love of the band's music [whichever the era]. Period.

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Poster: dyermaker81 Date: Nov 30, 2006 4:32am
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for a fun "Liberal" song...check out Phil Ochs "Love me I'm a Liberal." Great stuff from the 60's.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:04am
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true Deadhead >> Those who love the music. Period-imo.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:09am
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here here! Exactly

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Poster: yellowbear Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:27pm
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I don't post much, Ive' been around for a pretty long time (lurking) if you call it . I am 30 years young and I've been a head all my life, as long as I can remember. I think that the Dead is a constructive hobbie, I do like to party , drink whatever but when you listen to the dead sober and realize how good they really are and how the music makes you feel, it's a very sobering feeling. I work 60+ hours a week and always find time on the way to work , luch breaks , on the way home from work, after work to listen, and relax and enjoy. Enjoying the music is what makes a head a head to me. I was brought up on vynal and still have all that were handed down to me, every garage sale I go to if I see a dead album I buy it. Even if I already own it, I buy it. I probably have 20 copys of Shakedown Street but I don't care. It's kinda weird like that guy who bought all the copys of that book, aaahhh I can't remember the name....... whatever you know what I'm talking about. But the bottom line is, I do have friends, who are not heads. They don't understand me. My friends who were heads iv'e lost touch with over the years. All to say is the Dead is like a friend that will never leave. Good times, bad times, the music always is there( and thanks to this site, and many more, very plentiful!)dont mean to get on a rant hear, had a couple of beers tonight. This is a great croud and I am happy to be a part of the Grateful Dead, don't forget WE ARE ALL part of the band. Without us there is no them.
P and L all.

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

I say yes also. I don't fit the mold either. I'm not dirty, I love showers. I can handle camping but if you were to look at me you would never know. That is unless you hear Esimated cranked up in the car.
I think to be a deadhead you have to be into the music of course, to love the boys(even donna)through there rises and there falls.
They gave us space to be who we are what ever that my be, dirty, clean, skinny, fat. To give a LITTLE hell once in awhile. My son who is nine, considers himself one and he's only heard about them for a few seconds compared to some of us. So I say Hell yeah your a deadhead. Whoever said the comment about the drug addict remark you were right on. Thats what help ruined it, but hey thats part of it.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:26pm
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Oh and about all the non-showering and stuff.. it is obvious that those are just stereotypes. When you don't know something personally and you don't experience it.. in order to refer to the people that do.. you gotta categorize them with a stereotype.. and SINCE most people don't understand deadheads.. they go with something negative. It's easier that way.

Oh and I forgot to mention.. I think deadheadedness is a mindset.. I don't think you need to listen to them, or have even heard of them for matter..

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 30, 2006 8:55am
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How can you say you don't need to listen to the Dead to be a DeadHead? Nothing against you Max but that sort of thing pisses me off and I'll tell you why. When I moved up here to Alaska in 94 I didn't know anyone - except my now ex wife. I would see people with GRATEFUL DEAD stickers plastering their car and would go up to them asking if they traded. They all gave me blank stupid ass stares and had no clue about the music. Same thing a year after Jerry died they did this cool tribute downtown with bands playing Dead covers ( allmost all of them sucked of course but it was the thought that counted and I loved it ), anyways all these fakes walking around with their tye dyes with GRATEFUL DEAD artwork on them and I went up to several asking if they traded. Again same dumb stupid stares. About a year or two after that I met a REAL DeadHead on line and we met and went to a bluegrass show. Guess what? Dude looks NOTHING like a sterotypical DeadHEad and yet like me collects hundreds of hours, has been to many shows, KNOWS about the music, etc.

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:10am
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Probably 75% of the serious Deadheads Ive known (and I've known quite a few), You wouldn't know it to look at them. Except for maybe by a mischeivous twinkle in the eye's...

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Poster: blkpeter1 Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:33pm
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Right on, a mind set

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Poster: Scrim Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:58pm
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The movie "End of the road: The final tour 95" didn't paint a very good picture of what a Deadhead is. After watching it, I had a bit of an identity crisis.

(professional with long pony tail)

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:14pm
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AS limiting as it sounds.. I really believe there are to main types of heads.. a touchhead.. and a deadhead..

I know it is inhibiting and all.. and turns it into a black and white situation.


you, patkelley.. well.. everything you described about how you aren't into the 60's and all that.. well. you my friend are the perfect example of a touchhead. I've seen other posts by you where you say 80's is your favorite and all.. it's not like its bad or anything, in my belief system at least.

As for those people like Henry Kissinger and all them famous people.. well -- I think there is a portion of them that really are true fans. I mean -- why come out of nowhere and voice to the public that you like a band that has such a negative connotation? PLus there is that ex basket ball player? and now he is an announcer, and I am convinced that he is a deadhead.

I'd like to compile or find a list of people with status or fame that are deadheads. I know Clinton is! \M/

Haha.. okay maybe he is not.. but he *did* say that Jerry Garcia is an "American icon"? or something of that nature.





My definition of a deadhead:

A person who has many quality and attributes.. such as inquisitiveness, intuition, a natural curiosity (inquisitive), bold, they aren't scared to stray from the norm.. spritually mentally or physically. I mean.. all deadheads are curious people. It's how I got into them at least. I saw that Stealie and thought, "What in the hell?" haha. Deadheads are intrigued, and intriguing. People that is.

There is a somewaht fine line betweem someone who merely listens to the dead.. and someone who is a deadhead. The difference is that we deadheads.. well.. we feel it. Maybe I am just stupid, but tell me if I am the only one who feels this music? It's live.. at one point in time.. you can go back to that point.. and right then.. bam.. on impulse, this musical material emerged. It's changed my outlook on studio recorded music. I really care for it a lot less, and find myself getting bored with a song, that there is no other versions of it to. unless of course you find some live stuff..

A deadhead is a deadhead is a deadhead.. to mock that einstein or freud quote "a pencil is a pencil is a pencil"

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:36am
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I think the whole Touch HEad thing was covered but just to add my .02 - I don't think there are many things DEad that are " black and white" as you put it. That's part of the beauty.

In Kung Foo voice" AH you have much to learn grasshopper"

Just bustin on you youngin.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:01am
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And thank you for doing so.. because there is no other way to really learn (this quick)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:06am
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No need to thank me for anything. Hey I've been meaning to compliment you on something. A few weeks back you said something very insightful for your age that really hit home with me. You were talking about what has changed in this Country that our Fathers and Grandfathers were able to support a family with a decent standard of living on their ONE income and these days it's getting harder and harder to do that on TWO incomes. I'm feeling that pinch myself all the time. I have a decent job and house, I do right by my kids but there isn't much if any left over before the next payday. It'd help if my ex could support herself and the kids for her 50% of the time but even then sometimes it's really discouraging to bust your a** and still wish you could do something extra. I am by no means feeling sorry for myself, I have a good life that I love, I'm just saying you really hit the nail on the head with what you said, at least for me.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 30, 2006 6:57am
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Is this an insult? I'm as into the Dead as anyone else, I just happen to like the 80s and 90s more than the 70s and 60s GD music. If I'm not mistaken, you've never even seen the GD perform, so maybe your exposure level is more like a "touchhead" than a "deadhead." Plus- where did you get that term, from some dictionary of grateful dead things?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:06am
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wow!! nice job keeping you cool, man - not sure i would have :)

I really don't think Max understands where the term touchhead came from (it is somewhat of a disparaging term as I understand it). you don't seem like one to me though from reading your posts.

i ain't gettin involved in this one though - me shut up now

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:12am
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thanks for the support dire, i'm guessing he probably meant no harm. touchhead i think is supposed to be a fake deadhead who only likes GD for the drugs and party. if i had time for drugs and parties i might be a touchhead, but i've got my hands full with posting messages here. (oh ya, and my career)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:42am
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no problem man - i don't think he meant any harm either, just came across wrong (thank god i never do that - lol) - just misuse of a somewhat disparaging term. your understanding of it is mine too - especially the stoned drunken yahoos who came out in droves during and after 87.

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Poster: darkeyes Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:50am
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Well, where should I start. I first listened to the Dead the summer of '90. A girl friend, (a girl who was a friend), of mine had brought American Beauty to a party I was having. I was like "who is this"? She replied, "the Grateful Dead". I was like "really"?, and have been in love with there music ever since. I couldn't get enough and got my hands on as many "boots" as I could. My first live experience was watching them on the TV when they aired the "In Concert 91" from Giants Stadium. My "Eyes" were glued to the set. Let's all be honest, I think alot of us are a little Touched and a little Dead. My first concert was spring '92 at the spacehip in Hampton, VA. I had to dose. Why? Because and for the Grateful Dead experience, like the days when they did the Acid Tests. I wanted my own experience. To "BLOW you all AWAY" I am a born again Christian who works as a youth pastor. I don't do the drugs, drink, or have that lifestyle anymore, but I still love the music. Am I a hypocrite? No, that would make me a Deadhead. To be honest, I cant stand alot of the garbage that they play on the radio these days. So, this sight gets alot of air time (not while I'm working, right?). God bless this sight and God bless Grateful dead music which has inspired me to be creative in my ministry.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:10pm
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Stereotyping? Profiling? Tsk, Tsk. Either you get it or you don't. Very simple, and knows no boundaries.

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Poster: TheDaliTrauma Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:10am
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Someone who understands and believes that the Grateful Dead's music is something deep and profound that resonates within them. Someone who believes in the power and relevance of myth, magic, legend and lore.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:56pm
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Funny you should post this, I was just thinking along these same lines. What type of person is a Deadhead? From what I've seen, it can be anyone from any kind of background or profession. The thing that separates a Head from a "regular" person is not any tangible personality trait or social strata, it is much deeper than that. It lies within a person's, for lack of a better word, soul. A "true" Head, someone not in it because it happens to be in fashion or seems "cool" at the moment, has a soul that shares a commonality with other Heads, allowing people from all different backgrounds from all over the world communicate like old friends. This goes back to the earlier discussion of those who "get it". Heads get it, regardless of name, color, relegion, profession, education, whatever.
As for what I was going to post, it had to do with what I saw as two personality types in my circle of Heads. The first group consisted of the folks who were always socially popular, before and after turning on to the Dead, easy going and confident, always at the head of whatever pack they were in. This was not the group I fell into. My group was, well, losers? No. Geeks, Dorks? Maybe. We liked old Star Trek, playing Risk and backgammon, could quote Monty Python scripts line for line and rarely had to say "Sorry, can't come over and copy tapes right now, my incredibly hot model in training girlfriend wants to stay in and get busy all night. Maybe tommorrow." We came out of our shell more slowly, not feeling the need to rush after social acceptance as we had already found a place where we were accepted regardless of how we dressed, what kind of car we drove, how hot our girlfriend (when we had one) was, etc. The Dead offered a kind of sanctuary of acceptance and comeraderie that most of us had only found in our own small fringe groups; with the Dead we were now a huge group of like-minded folks more than happy no only to accept you as you were, but too also encourage your individuality, not pressure you to conform. All the Heads I know now are some of the most intelligent and well rounded folks I've come across. If you too were in a similar group and helped folks like me come in and find a home, thanks. For those of you who maybe have recently found this special group and feel truly comfortable and "at home" for the first time, this is why we (well, me at least) have such a passion for the music and, more so, the people who follow it. Thanks, guys for listening to another rant.

P.S. I've decided against changing my Poster Name. If it still gives you homophobic issues when ever you hear "Dark Hollow", too damn bad; but just remember, I'm behind you all the way.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:31pm
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Being a newbie here, I'm out of the loop on a lot of prior converstaion.
Or maybe I'm just stupid.
But why should the name Dark Hollow conjure up homophobic reactions?

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:35pm
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OK, let me answer this before Dire or High Flow can do any more damage. Their "issue" has to do with the line from the song "I'd rather be in some dark hollow.." Makes 'em feel a little creepy, I guess. Seriously, it's all in good fun and they both know that I've always got their backs... ;)

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:00pm
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Dark Hollow:
Thank you for explaining that to me.


Really.


Thank you so very much

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Poster: minty fresh Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:26pm
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Very well put dark hollow. I didn't start listening to the GD until 1995(17 years old), but the music helped form a bond between me and my friends that lasts to this day.

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Poster: BlueMtnMan Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: What type of person is a Deadhead? (or What is a Deadhead?)

The music touched the soul, expanded consciousness and took you places that there are no words for. Either you got it or you didn't. It was a ride everyone shared together whether wacked out or stone cold sober. It seems a bit presumptuous to say those sliddin' in the mud got it any less, maybe just differently. I never considered myself a dirty hippy, but after 14 hours in 105 degree heat at RFK stadium in 1973, I suspect anyone seeing me heading to the car after the show would have thought differntly. I was never a drug addict, but I have seen the boys at Cameron Indoor where the smoke hung like a haze obscurring the stage. Nobody left like they came in, we all knew we had experienced something that would stay with us for a lifetime. I have seen Phil bombs explode before my eyes and turned to the stranger next to me, both of us eyes wide, and the only words that passed were "Yea". Felt the pain during Looks Like Rain and watched the tears flow from guys who were hootin' and hollering moments before, then tasted the salt in my own mouth and realized my own tears. The music gave us permission to touch deeply into our shared humanity; brush away the exterior trappings and find that we are all the same. And after almost 40 years the music can still take me there.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:41pm
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patkelley: I have finally found those other dudes that were sitting behind the stage with me!! - yeah, that was me at the end of the aisle - usually had my eyes shut and head down. Wasn't it great when they put those speakers up for us sometime after 1983? ..and Jerry waving goodnight!

As for the question at hand, I feel as if the phenomenon called "Grateful Dead" chose me - during the very first notes of the very first song something popped inside my heart and from the depths of my being I said to myself, "I am Home." -- as if I had known It and It had known me from previous lifetimes and was just waiting for the right time to synch up with me.

So many things in my life have appeared only to disappear except for this thing called "Grateful Dead." The flicker of its light has remained faithful during the deepest darkness and has shined brighter than the sun during the highest highs. -- It's nothing I can possibly explain to anybody except to individuals such as yourselves. - But I don't even have to explain it to you since you understand that which remains unspoken.

"Deadheads" - I don't think there is such a thing. An "Unbroken Chain" - absolutely - that's who we are. --- AshesRising

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Poster: deadmax Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:43pm
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Ashes Rising - I wasn't going to post to this thread 'cause I just wanted to see what others said and because of all the late nights me and my friends would stay up talking about this subject and how "deep" the converstation would get. [no - you're the GREATEST Deadhead man, really!] [...is that your toe?]

But you had to put the words on the electronic paper. You hear the music, it touches your heart and you become chosen, not because you are more special, but because now you are home. That's how I have always felt. It's not so much part of a family as it is part of a tribe.

A dysfunctional tribe, but a tribe nonetheless.

It's like Jerry said (I think on Europe '72) they answered a cosmic want ad along with the rest of us and now here we are.

Great response. I was hoping they would be lamer than that so I wouldn't have to post.

Thanks man.

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Poster: AshesRising Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:28am
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deadmax: "dysfunctional tribe" - I gotta think about that one. I like that clarification of being chosen not because of being special but because now you've arrived Home -- that's good; I didn't even think about the possibility of the misinterpretation of "being special." - Thanks for sharpening that sentiment.

I never heard that Jerry quote before -- that is really great, "a cosmic want ad" -- I'll never forget that.
Take care, - AshesRising (jerri1031-dp3ATyahoo.com)

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Poster: billydlions Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:51pm
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Well if you're not a head then neither am I. Not a hippie, not a liberal, but have listened since the mid 70's. Just enjoy the music. I'm a stock broker and have my ipod playing just about every day.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:43pm
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By " liberal" do you mean Deomocrat? Or are you referring to the ACTUAL definition? I really wish people on the right AND left would stop bastardizing the word.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:29pm
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The _entire_ English language is constantly being bastardized, left, right and center.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:06am
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Aint that the truth. I can use aint now because it IS in the dictionary : )

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Poster: crustysimpleton Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:16am
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H.I.P.P.I.E.
HAPPY INTELLIGENT PERSON PERSUING INFINITE ENLIGHTENMENT
IF THE SHOE IS ON THE HAND IT FITS

WHO CAN DENY THE GREATEST BAND TO HAVE GRACED THE EARTH

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:58pm
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I don't think any of us are "types," so to speak. I mean, who really wants to be pigeonholed? Personally, I got my BA in Theatre from SIU-Carbondale, Illinois, then got my MFA from OU in Athens, Ohio. And I feel I've always been able to hold my own in most discussions of the arts, current events, politics, jokes, sports to some degree, although that's not really my field of experise-how 'bout those Cardinals (no, not the ones in Arizona), as well as The Grateful Dead.

Yeah, dire. God knows, we've seen those people oozing all over the parking lot after the shows. But who's to say? First impressions can sometimes be far from the actual person inside that dye he/she's been wearing since last Thursday. Still, I've met my share-here's an anecdote: Summer '81 after freshman year. Getting ready for that night at the Kiel Auditorium in St. Louis, and waiting at my folks' house for the other Dead Head who was on my floor in the dorm to arrive from Chicago so the two of us can finally share a show together after a year of late night tape-grogging. He shows up with a couple of other dudes I've never met in my life, and who are pretty much the ugly stereotype of a filthy hippie Dead Head. Mom had fixed a pot of spaghetti (God, I miss her. What an angel) for my "friends," so we all sat down for some lunch. My buddy, Rich, and I started carrying on just like a couple of good friends who hadn't seen each other in a while should. In the middle of our rap, Filthy Hippie Dead Head #2 (I call him #2, because #1 had already interjected a little into the conversation in between monstrous gulps of pasta) said, "Yeah, there are a lot of really weird people. Like, one day at school, I was sitting on a bench, and this guy came up to me and just started saying a bunch of really weird stuff."

Awkward silence.

And that's the only thing the guy said for the next 18 hours. Brain dead, I'm telling you.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:42pm
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Oh and.. here's a great little text I read a while back. I forgot how much it pertains to this comment, but nevertheless, it is interesting:

http://www.ulster.net/~shady/deadisti.html

"Deadisticism"



from that text:

"Although unwilling to interpret their role as a vehicle for personal transformation, the band acknowledged that they were interested in utilizing the music as a vehicle for something than extended beyond recreation.

As Jerry Garcia would later say, "I think basically the Grateful Dead is not for cranking out rock and roll, it's not for going out and doing concerts or any of that stuff. I think it's to get high. To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe." "


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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 29, 2006 7:04pm
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You know I just want to make a comment about the whole Touchhead, Deadhead thing. (I always hated that term Touchhead!) I started listening to the dead, tapes first, back in December '86, right before the whole Touch of Grey explosion. My first show wasn't til the summer of '87, so by definition, I guess I'm a Touchhead (though I LOVE early Dead!) There were tons of us, and the numbers grew each year.

But the point I want to make, is that when you're STILL listening to the dead, (almost 20 years now), trading tapes (ok, now they're CD's) and on forums everyday, you STOP being a touchhead. Because a true touchhead was into the 'scene' and 'party', and not really into the music. You're a deadhead. period.

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Poster: daliguana Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:41am
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Hey, Brian, when were you at Athens? My girlfriend went there as a theatre major in the late 90s.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 30, 2006 11:41am
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Daliguana-
Opposite end of the decade ('90-'92), but I'm sure if she was an undergrad that she became quite familiar with some of the same faculty members I knew: namely Bill Fisher, Bob St. Lawrence, and Bill Condee, for whom I was a Grad TA for Theatre History. Was she a grad or undergrad? Actor or techie? If she was a grad actor, then she was a student of my all-time favorite teacher, voice instructor Laura Parrotti.
When I was getting ready to leave Athens for my internship at the Cleveland Play House, construction on Kantner Hall was reaching completion, and the lobby was being decorated with big black & white production photos. At least one of them was of me as Jack in The Importance Of Being Earnest. I wonder if it's still there.
I LOVED Athens!

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:52pm
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answer to your question: YES!
How do I know this? Besides for the fact that I'm the Queen... =) because I break all the stereotypes too! Don't get me wrong, back in high school, when I was sleeping out for tickets in my indian skirt and bare feet, I really looked the part. But that was a LONG time ago. Now If I tell someone I work with (remember, elementary school, so I'm professionally dressed) that I'm into the GD (still!) they all say the same thing..."Really I'm so surprised!"

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Nov 30, 2006 2:06am
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Hey Dancinbears - this is for you and those barefoot days.
cheers,
Dr. Flashback :-)

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:22am
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= D thanks!

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 29, 2006 10:40pm
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I don't think you can pinpoint anything except love of the band. I know Deadheads that are hippies, Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Catholic, Jewish, Buddhist, Islamic, Atheistic, Doctors, Lawyers, Unemployed, Janitors, eccentric, insane, genius, and not so genius and everything in between . I know ones who love the jams and experimentations and who hate that and just love the tunes, pewople who are into the lyrics, or music...... I can go on and on. the only common thread I can find is the love of the band.

A deadhead is a Human who loves the Dead, Period!! (Ok, maybe some of the Deadheads I have met come from different dimensions or solar systems, so maybe human is to restrictive a term.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:22pm
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Perfectly and well said.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 30, 2006 8:18am
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my roomates parrots love the Dead! Especially drum > space
Another fav of theirs is Merl Sanders "Blues from the rainforest"
Parrots can be deadheads too!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:01pm
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As the buttons that were prevalent at shows in the mid 80s said: "We Are Everywhere".

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:20pm
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Or maybe "We Are Everything" would be more appropriate.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:25pm
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Dancinbears: I sure your touchhead post was not directed to me.. but if it was, the meaning of what i said was that a touchhead is maybe.. patkelley. BEcause of the circumstances at the moment. He listens to the Brent Years and beyond. But I think it's alright to categorize someone like that. If you listen to post touch of gray, it means you like the later years. Anyways a deadhead is a deadhead. regardless of the subcategory of touchheads. This is too funny, I feel like I am being super redundant, repeating all these terms.

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Poster: Dancinbears Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:42am
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well yes, actually Max, my post was kinda directed at you. But some other people have pretty much summed up what I wanted to say in posts below this. It's that age of yours...(very cool to be young, so I don't mean it in a bad way at all), but you can only have a vague sense of where that 'touchtead' thing came from. Those touchheads that you've read about, and the way the media protrayed it, well those people have long moved onto another fad and forgot the dead completely. Anyone on this forum, who listens to the music, FOR THE MUSIC, isn't a touchhead. Reguardless of what era they like or don't like. If you'd ever like to see what a touchhead looks like I'll lend you my high school yearbook to flip through.....class of '88. there are TONS of them in it. Today they're long gone.

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Poster: Fishead Date: Nov 30, 2006 6:06am
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brent head yes ..touch head no....

touch of grey was being played long before 1987 ...so that term holds no water...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 8:31pm
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i love the brent years and by no means am i a touch head - brent rules - i like him more that keith to be honest. he brought more to the band than anyone other than hornsby for those few shows.

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Poster: lostmoon Date: Nov 30, 2006 7:31am
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dancinbears...love the "surprised" part. the older you get, the more time that has passed, it never more true, people truly are surprised.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:11am
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Haha -- I'm sorry. While I like to be semi provocative, I often put myself out in a vulnerable position after saying something.. bold i guess. I didn't mean "touch" as condescending or negative at all.. but it was in my understanding that a touchhead was the generation of youth that started listening to the dead when touch of grey came out (as a single) in 1987, because it got popular and all, hit the billboard and whatnot. Looking back on what I said, I don't even really agree with it. It's kinda like I misconstrued by own thoughts and impulsively formed them into words, and I became stuck to them, and had to back up what I had said.

To do even more damage, maybe what I was saying was this:

60s-70s dead is a whole different sound than 80's hair metal, and more later, 90s thrash and hardcore metal right? If someone asked you do you listen to metal.. to be more specific you might say the more categorized metal. If that tpe of metal was popular enough among that group of people.. that person's musical taste might have a nickname for it. So rather than saying "Oh, nah, I like hair metal." maybe it could be "I'm a hair metalhead." Or something stupid like that, such as me actually making this post right now -laughs-

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:21am
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With touchheads it was more attitude than anything. Just because you discovered the Dead in that period did necassarily make you a touchhead...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:26am
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exactly right and succinctly put cush

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:32am
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Since I was like 10 yrs old in 1987, I obviously didnt have any opportunity to get into the Dead earlier in time

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:44am
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Dear Santa,

May I have a Grateful time machine for Christmas? I promise I would only use it for the very best shows and would share it with my friends!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 30, 2006 9:58am
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Me and Piers Anthony have been re-adjusting the macroscope, your wish may come true

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:26am
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Then expect the Grinch AKA "MC" to be near it when it magically disappears :) I promise i'll share though.. once I reach '95 that is.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:20am
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Oh man. I've wished that so many times! Can I go too?

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Poster: cush11 Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:26am
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I'll go back and order an extra large!!!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Nov 30, 2006 10:25am
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you bethcha! Captain Tripps will be at the controls

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:48pm
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i smell like a goat after four months in a leg cast - so you are just as much a head as me :)

I'm a professional (or was prior to my disability) and a lifelong student) - we count - the ones who rolled around in the mud trippin their asses off and couldnt even tell you their names were not dead heads - they were drug addicts - followers of any bands that had the drug followiing. true deadhead had the intellectual capabilities to form an intellectual thought during and after a show - even when whiigggin - the others who couldn't - street bums who came along for the ride and had nowhere else to go - i met em - and they were pathetic - god, were they pathetic

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Poster: billydlions Date: Nov 29, 2006 5:59pm
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That's why I always sat behind the stage. Best place to see a show.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Nov 29, 2006 6:32pm
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Loved it behind the stage also!